A witness who has testified before a sitting grand jury in the state of Georgia says there is no doubt in her mind that former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani committed crimes by trying to help failed ex-president Donald Trump overturn the results of the 2020 election.
Speaking with MSNBC’s Katie Phang, Georgia State Sen. Jen Jordan (D) said she was in the hearing when Giuliani tried to convince state legislators that the election had been stolen from Trump. That led Phang to inquire:
“As we mentioned, you testified before the special grand jury about the December 3rd, 2020 Georgia Senate Judiciary Subcommittee hearing. where Rudy Giuliani and others were spreading conspiracy theories about voter fraud in Georgia. Did Giuliani commit a crime before your very eyes?”
Jordan responded affirmatively:
“In my opinion he did. But obviously that’s not necessarily from me. That’s what’s significant about this special grand jury proceeding, they are gathering all of the evidence, they are pulling it all together, right? They are trying to kind of draw the line and see who was involved, what was said, what was done. What were the intentional acts that moved this conspiracy forward.”
She added:
“From my perspective, what we watched in that state Senate hearing was really the scheme that [Trump attorney] John Eastman had put together. I call him the architect of anarchy. The scheme he put together was really the implementation of that scheme on the ground.”
The January 6 House Select Committee, much like the Georgia grand jury, is trying to determine exactly what the former president knew and when he knew it, along with determining who participated in his blatantly illegal scheme to subvert the will of the American people who overwhelmingly voted to elect Joe Biden 46th President of the United States. The panel will hold two public hearings this week on Tuesday, July 12 and Thursday, July 14.
